Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

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Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#1 Post by Goodsy » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:15 pm

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Gives better access to the Port River Precinct, a viable public transport option to workers in Wingfield and Port Adelaide and would allow a inner north loop service.

I don't get why this doesn't already exist, the corridor is already there. Although the junction at the east end would need to be pretty complex to allow freight trains to pass uninterrupted

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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#2 Post by Norman » Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:06 pm

A service between Port Dock and Dry Creek used to run until about 30 years ago, but there was a lack of patronage that caused the line to close.

The line between the stations is also a freight line, but is dual gauge as far as I remember.

More info here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_Creek ... ilway_line

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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#3 Post by Aidan » Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:03 pm

Yes, the line is dual gauge, though the broad gauge rail is disused and I don't know if it's intact over the entire length of the line.

AIUI the former passenger service detoured via Rosewater, and ran to GMH Elizabeth.

Alas with the PREXY parallelling it, I'd expect there to be even less demand for it now than when regular services ceased. But I do think there's great potential for a bus link via Cormack Road to link Port Adelaide, Gillman, Wingfield and Dry Creek station... and possibly also Mawson Lakes.

And in the very long term I'd like to see a monorail running alongside that line and on to TTP via Northfield.
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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#4 Post by eKwatee » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:49 pm

This would be a great idea. The population along the Gawler line has increased since the line was closed. I believe there would be enough patronage for it to be viable. Mawson Lakes for one has 10,000 residents since the line was closed.

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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#5 Post by PeFe » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:33 am

No...no....no... there is no synergy between the Gawler and Outer Harbor lines...

One day when the South Australian government has enough money, then the Gawler and Aldinga lines will be connecteed in an Adelaide CBD tunnel...

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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#6 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:46 pm

Why stop there? Lay tracks on the old Semaphore and Northfield lines and then you'd have quite a long east-west route in the north of the city. Much similar to Melbourne's Suburban Rail Loop, but much cheaper to construct since most of the route is at surface level and already there.

We still don't have the demand for it, but it would be nice if the land remains available for when we do have the population.

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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#7 Post by Goodsy » Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:49 pm

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:46 pm
Why stop there? Lay tracks on the old Semaphore and Northfield lines and then you'd have quite a long east-west route in the north of the city. Much similar to Melbourne's Suburban Rail Loop, but much cheaper to construct since most of the route is at surface level and already there.

We still don't have the demand for it, but it would be nice if the land remains available for when we do have the population.
The Northfield Corridor is filled in now, they ripped up the last level crossing on Churchill road north a few months ago. Also the train dept is built ontop of the old triangle junction

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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#8 Post by SBD » Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:44 pm

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:46 pm
Why stop there? Lay tracks on the old Semaphore and Northfield lines and then you'd have quite a long east-west route in the north of the city. Much similar to Melbourne's Suburban Rail Loop, but much cheaper to construct since most of the route is at surface level and already there.

We still don't have the demand for it, but it would be nice if the land remains available for when we do have the population.
Yes, it would look nice on a map, but who would use it? Nobody wants to have to change trains twice to get to and from work. How many people would commute between the Northfield and Semaphore areas compared to the Mawson Lakes-Gawler line and the Port Adelaide-Osborne area?

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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#9 Post by ml69 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:55 pm

SBD wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 8:44 pm
1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Wed Jul 24, 2019 6:46 pm
Why stop there? Lay tracks on the old Semaphore and Northfield lines and then you'd have quite a long east-west route in the north of the city. Much similar to Melbourne's Suburban Rail Loop, but much cheaper to construct since most of the route is at surface level and already there.

We still don't have the demand for it, but it would be nice if the land remains available for when we do have the population.
Yes, it would look nice on a map, but who would use it? Nobody wants to have to change trains twice to get to and from work. How many people would commute between the Northfield and Semaphore areas compared to the Mawson Lakes-Gawler line and the Port Adelaide-Osborne area?
Exactly. There is no compelling reason to do it. Would be a complete waste of money.

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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#10 Post by OlympusAnt » Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:59 pm

The only good use for that connection would be to turn railcars. Passengers wouldn't use it.
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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#11 Post by SBD » Mon Jul 29, 2019 8:53 pm

OlympusAnt wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 7:59 pm
The only good use for that connection would be to turn railcars. Passengers wouldn't use it.
Gawler Outer Harbor (or Osborne) trains would get some use - maybe some of those public servants who didn't want to work at Port Adelaide catch trains to the city from that way.
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I have no idea how many passengers are needed to be "enough". Our ticketing system does not collect sufficient data to assess the actual demand. There is no way to assess the potential demand.

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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#12 Post by ChillyPhilly » Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:05 am

It could have some use in summer for getting people to and from the north and Semaphore.
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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#13 Post by bits » Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:13 am

SBD wrote:Our ticketing system does not collect sufficient data to assess the actual demand. There is no way to assess the potential demand.
Why use the ticketing system?
You can track users via their Bluetooth or wifi devices. Basically everyone has a phone in their pocket with Bluetooth or wifi on.
The government already do this tracking at most traffic intersections. They probably already do it at public transport locations

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Re: Connect the Gawler and Outer Harbor rail lines

#14 Post by SBD » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:48 pm

bits wrote:
Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:13 am
SBD wrote:Our ticketing system does not collect sufficient data to assess the actual demand. There is no way to assess the potential demand.
Why use the ticketing system?
You can track users via their Bluetooth or wifi devices. Basically everyone has a phone in their pocket with Bluetooth or wifi on.
The government already do this tracking at most traffic intersections. They probably already do it at public transport locations
So the actual demand is anyone who catches a train or bus north of Dry Creek and gets off of one at or beyond Port Adelaide. Potential demand is anyone who crosses both Port Wakefield Road and the Port River (or ends in Port Adelaide) by any mode of transport. Does our surveillance state collect enough data to generate that analysis?

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