How did Victoria grow?

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How did Victoria grow?

#1 Post by wll6568 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:02 am

Just out of curiosity, can someone explain the history of how Victoria become the 2nd largest economy of Australia? I am always puzzled... Shouldn't SA stand in best location in the middle of Australia, with close proximity to all other states? Why would a company having a headquarter in Sydney still establish a second office in Victoria, which is so close to it anyway? How did this all happen before? Just out of curiousity....

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#2 Post by Will » Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:10 am

The gold rush of the 1850s was the trigger. It made Melbourne one of the most prosperous city's in the world. Compare and contrast to our largely agricultural based economy, that was only salvaged by copper finds at Burra and Moonta.

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#3 Post by Goodsy » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:14 am

the closest port to the goldfields

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#4 Post by crawf » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:22 am

Will is 100% spot on, the huge growth of Melbourne is mostly thanks to the large expanse of goldfields surrounding the city. If it wasn't for that, Melbourne could of potentially been the size of current Adelaide or Perth.

Fast forward a century, and the growth that Melbourne has gone through in the last two decades is phenomenon. Billions and billions worth of investment that has completely changed the look and feel of the city, with a chance of one day regaining the title as Australia's largest city. No city in Australia comes to close to Melbourne during this period, perhaps maybe Sydney.

In saying that it's also gone through some pretty epic downturns over the decades, and already there is some cracks starting to show. Crime rates in particular have skyrocketed with Victoria now being called the nation's murder capital. This unwanted title could start damaging their reputation and growth.

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#5 Post by wll6568 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:37 am

So to sum it up, it's mostly due to the fact that they had a good start in early ages....attracting lots of money and people in, and the fact that they keep progressing and growing to become the size of today.... Sounds like San Fran?...

At least one thing they done right was... they keep moving forward. Unlike Adl, where the it goes reverse, wanting to preserve the small city feel and look.

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#6 Post by Goodsy » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:45 am

wll6568 wrote:So to sum it up, it's mostly due to the fact that they had a good start in early ages....attracting lots of money and people in, and the fact that they keep progressing and growing to become the size of today.... Sounds like San Fran?...

At least one thing they done right was... they keep moving forward. Unlike Adl, where the it goes reverse, wanting to preserve the small city feel and look.
hard to keep moving forward at a steady pace when the main industries that fueled our growth have left the country

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#7 Post by [Shuz] » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:55 am

Victoria grew like any of us, because she was a human being. Although, a pretty important one at that, being the Queen of England and all. There would have been a bit of a growth spurt when she was in her early childhood and again in her puberty / teenage years. Maybe some shrinkage by the time she was much older.
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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#8 Post by rev » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:00 pm

Simple.
The majority of Victorians aren't scared of change and progress and a growing evolving city.
The majority of South Australian's are content with things as they are.

Two different mentalities prevail in both states and cities.

It's that mentality that gives us the shit for brains political leaders we end up with. They are not only elected by the prevailing mentality, they are a product of that mentality.

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#9 Post by crawf » Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:28 pm

rev wrote:Simple.
The majority of Victorians aren't scared of change and progress and a growing evolving city.
The majority of South Australian's are content with things as they are.

Two different mentalities prevail in both states and cities.

It's that mentality that gives us the shit for brains political leaders we end up with. They are not only elected by the prevailing mentality, they are a product of that mentality.
Meanwhile the surrounds of the Festival Centre is becoming a demolition site, major multi-lane motorways are being built in the suburbs, height restrictions have been lifted throughout the inner suburbs and soon the city will have at least two new tallest buildings.

The truth is majority of South Australians don't give a hoot. It's the loud minority that cause the ruckus, previous weak Governments haven't helped either. Victoria on the otherhand was extremely lucky in the 90s to have Jeff Kennett, who turned Melbourne from a tired old backwater into the booming city we see today. Our State Government at the time was pathetic in comparison.

Negativity exists in Melbourne and every other city on the planet. Look at the outcry over the East-West Link project, Albert Park and so on.

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#10 Post by rev » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:15 pm

crawf wrote:
rev wrote:Simple.
The majority of Victorians aren't scared of change and progress and a growing evolving city.
The majority of South Australian's are content with things as they are.

Two different mentalities prevail in both states and cities.

It's that mentality that gives us the shit for brains political leaders we end up with. They are not only elected by the prevailing mentality, they are a product of that mentality.
Meanwhile the surrounds of the Festival Centre is becoming a demolition site, major multi-lane motorways are being built in the suburbs, height restrictions have been lifted throughout the inner suburbs and soon the city will have at least two new tallest buildings.

The truth is majority of South Australians don't give a hoot. It's the loud minority that cause the ruckus, previous weak Governments haven't helped either. Victoria on the otherhand was extremely lucky in the 90s to have Jeff Kennett, who turned Melbourne from a tired old backwater into the booming city we see today. Our State Government at the time was pathetic in comparison.

Negativity exists in Melbourne and every other city on the planet. Look at the outcry over the East-West Link project, Albert Park and so on.
Motorways/freeways - playing catch up.
New tallest buildings? What, 130m range? Wow. Don't get me wrong, it's great, finally..
Festival center redevelopment? Into what, another let down like how the majority of the riverbank will turn out to be? LOL, and they said it was Adelaide's answer to South Bank. Did the people designing it, actually visit South Bank?
Height restrictions lifted in the inner suburbs? I guess we will soon have our own Chatswood or Parramatta....Port Road will turn into our own St Kilda Road soon too.
Melbourne's building 17 new suburbs...we've got Playford Alive though. :cheers:

Don't worry, I'm not one who blames the government. I blame the people of this city. Ignore the conservative mentality that holds this place back all you like, but it's true.

Although I will say one positive thing..driving through the City, there is some change with the various apartments going up..all be it, too little and too slow.


Btw, are you guys aware, that Adelaide is classified as regional, and not a major city, when it comes to immigration? :lol:

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#11 Post by wll6568 » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:11 pm

crawf wrote:
rev wrote:Simple.
The majority of Victorians aren't scared of change and progress and a growing evolving city.
The majority of South Australian's are content with things as they are.

Two different mentalities prevail in both states and cities.

It's that mentality that gives us the shit for brains political leaders we end up with. They are not only elected by the prevailing mentality, they are a product of that mentality.
Meanwhile the surrounds of the Festival Centre is becoming a demolition site, major multi-lane motorways are being built in the suburbs, height restrictions have been lifted throughout the inner suburbs and soon the city will have at least two new tallest buildings.

The truth is majority of South Australians don't give a hoot. It's the loud minority that cause the ruckus, previous weak Governments haven't helped either. Victoria on the otherhand was extremely lucky in the 90s to have Jeff Kennett, who turned Melbourne from a tired old backwater into the booming city we see today. Our State Government at the time was pathetic in comparison.

Negativity exists in Melbourne and every other city on the planet. Look at the outcry over the East-West Link project, Albert Park and so on.
Agreed. I have seen so many Melbournians bashing their government about new projects, the city tunnels, just like ADL, but the only difference is the government. In Melbourne, it almost felts as if it's run by Asian government, where they don't care about the objections from local, they just go ahead with it. And majority of people just couldn't care about objecting even though they would like. I think the main problem in ADL is, the government is very easily distracted or afraid of going tough... prob because it's a small place....

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#12 Post by crawf » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:34 pm

rev wrote:
crawf wrote:
rev wrote:Simple.
The majority of Victorians aren't scared of change and progress and a growing evolving city.
The majority of South Australian's are content with things as they are.

Two different mentalities prevail in both states and cities.

It's that mentality that gives us the shit for brains political leaders we end up with. They are not only elected by the prevailing mentality, they are a product of that mentality.
Meanwhile the surrounds of the Festival Centre is becoming a demolition site, major multi-lane motorways are being built in the suburbs, height restrictions have been lifted throughout the inner suburbs and soon the city will have at least two new tallest buildings.

The truth is majority of South Australians don't give a hoot. It's the loud minority that cause the ruckus, previous weak Governments haven't helped either. Victoria on the otherhand was extremely lucky in the 90s to have Jeff Kennett, who turned Melbourne from a tired old backwater into the booming city we see today. Our State Government at the time was pathetic in comparison.

Negativity exists in Melbourne and every other city on the planet. Look at the outcry over the East-West Link project, Albert Park and so on.
Motorways/freeways - playing catch up.
New tallest buildings? What, 130m range? Wow. Don't get me wrong, it's great, finally..
Festival center redevelopment? Into what, another let down like how the majority of the riverbank will turn out to be? LOL, and they said it was Adelaide's answer to South Bank. Did the people designing it, actually visit South Bank?
Height restrictions lifted in the inner suburbs? I guess we will soon have our own Chatswood or Parramatta....Port Road will turn into our own St Kilda Road soon too.
Melbourne's building 17 new suburbs...we've got Playford Alive though. :cheers:

Don't worry, I'm not one who blames the government. I blame the people of this city. Ignore the conservative mentality that holds this place back all you like, but it's true.

Although I will say one positive thing..driving through the City, there is some change with the various apartments going up..all be it, too little and too slow.


Btw, are you guys aware, that Adelaide is classified as regional, and not a major city, when it comes to immigration? :lol:
Yes you are right 'certain people' do hold back this city, especially the ones that downplay every single positive thing into a negative.

Melbourne could build 50 new suburbs, I am happy with the progress happening in Adelaide. As mentioned a million times there is still long way go, though there is still a heck alot to be proud of compared to where our city was 5 years ago.

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#13 Post by Norman » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:06 pm

Why do we have to be like Melbourne? There's nothing wrong with living in a mid-sized city, I actually prefer it. I hate driving in Melbourne because the distances are long and the traffic jams are ridiculous. The CBD is nicely sized and scaled here, where as in Melbourne it's grown too much. Sure, we can do a lot more to improve our city, but we don't need to copy them in every regard.



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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#14 Post by Nathan » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:30 pm

Exactly. The ship has long sailed on Adelaide being a first tier city like Melbourne or Sydney. We should be following the model of mid sized cities like Austin and Portland in the US.

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Re: How did Victoria grow?

#15 Post by Goodsy » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:41 pm

Nathan wrote:Exactly. The ship has long sailed on Adelaide being a first tier city like Melbourne or Sydney. We should be following the model of mid sized cities like Austin and Portland in the US.
Both of which are double the size of Adelaide

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