[U/C] Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

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[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#961 Post by claybro » Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:23 pm

Jaymz wrote:
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Make no mistake, when the State Govt. started planning and spending for the whole Riverbank/North Terrace/ nRAH/Adelaide Oval 10 years ago, they were doing this convinced that the mega multi-billion dollar expansion of Olympic Dam was going ahead and all the economic spin-offs from that economy changing project. They were already committed to much of it when BHP pulled the pin, but (thankfully) pushed on anyway. If that wasn't taking a risk then I don't know what is and it's probably why the Govt. might have to penny pinch from here on in.

Just my :2cents:
Penny pinching does not really explain the overall layout though. Or the complete miss match of theme for buildings crammed so close together. Or the poor/ inadequate and inconsistent landscaping and maintenance of areas already completed. Or the fact that the under croft car park takes up a large part of the ground level facing the riverbank near the rowing sheds... the list goes on.

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#962 Post by CDJ » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:30 pm

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#963 Post by CDJ » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:31 pm

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#964 Post by CDJ » Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:32 pm

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#965 Post by timtam20292 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:05 pm

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#966 Post by cmet » Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:25 pm

Is this for the car park, office tower or both?

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#967 Post by CDJ » Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:51 pm

cmet wrote:
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Is this for the car park, office tower or both?
Both - the columns and core for the office tower run through the basement carpark.

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#968 Post by 1NEEDS2POST » Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:34 am

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The area looks like it will be very crowded, i dont like the tower behind the parliament house either (that'll be like putting a tower next to the Australian Parliament House)
This is what I don't like about the project. Other buildings shouldn't look out of place compared to parliament.

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#969 Post by ChillyPhilly » Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:34 am

1NEEDS2POST wrote:
Eurostar wrote:
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The area looks like it will be very crowded, i dont like the tower behind the parliament house either (that'll be like putting a tower next to the Australian Parliament House)
This is what I don't like about the project. Other buildings shouldn't look out of place compared to parliament.
With appropriate architectural treatment and design, it's possible for it to not look out of place.

Unfortunately, most of us here have no confidence in this occurring.
Our state, our city, our future.

All views expressed on this forum are my own.

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#970 Post by rev » Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:53 am

Everything around parliament except government house and the train station building is out of place compared.
Is someone going to seriously say the Intercontinental fits in?
Or the new casino extension?
Or the festival theater?
Oe the crap across the road?
How about the riverside centre?

The out of place argument bolted a long long time ago.

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#971 Post by how good is he » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:15 am

While I agree with your points the reality is that all the buildings there have been built at very different times throughout history. The buildings you mention are built and reflect the 1900s, 1970, 1980s, 1990s, 2020 etc. Combine this with different owners/stakeholders all with different agendas and all in a confined environment and I can't see much alternative to the outcome we have got.

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#972 Post by cmet » Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:33 am

Are there any details plans/renders/ dev application for the office tower? I understand there was a difference approval process here

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#973 Post by Neko Neko Peko Peko » Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:01 pm

how good is he wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:15 am
While I agree with your points the reality is that all the buildings there have been built at very different times throughout history. The buildings you mention are built and reflect the 1900s, 1970, 1980s, 1990s, 2020 etc. Combine this with different owners/stakeholders all with different agendas and all in a confined environment and I can't see much alternative to the outcome we have got.
This is a good point.

The railway station and parliament house were both built at the outset of the 1900s? Before many modern building technologies and styles were introduced. For a newer building to not be "out of place" would cost a tonne to match the materials used back in the day, and we'd continue have a city full of buildings no higher, innovative or livable than those originally built during Adelaide's settlement..

The only way to stop new buildings being "out of place" is to not build them at all... or for buildings to be designed more sympathetically with heritage in mind? I am not sure what people exactly mean when they say something is out of place?

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#974 Post by Goodsy » Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:34 pm

Neko Neko Peko Peko wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:01 pm
how good is he wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:15 am
While I agree with your points the reality is that all the buildings there have been built at very different times throughout history. The buildings you mention are built and reflect the 1900s, 1970, 1980s, 1990s, 2020 etc. Combine this with different owners/stakeholders all with different agendas and all in a confined environment and I can't see much alternative to the outcome we have got.
This is a good point.

The railway station and parliament house were both built at the outset of the 1900s? Before many modern building technologies and styles were introduced. For a newer building to not be "out of place" would cost a tonne to match the materials used back in the day, and we'd continue have a city full of buildings no higher, innovative or livable than those originally built during Adelaide's settlement..

The only way to stop new buildings being "out of place" is to not build them at all... or for buildings to be designed more sympathetically with heritage in mind? I am not sure what people exactly mean when they say something is out of place?
It just takes more than an ounce of creativity, facades can be whatever they need to be.. Her Majestys Theatre redevelopment proves it. It's not as if they're putting in a 1920's floorplan with 1920's electrical and HVAC systems



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfsuU8V40U0

Just some brand new towers being built in NYC that take inspiration from the 1920's art deco boom

https://www.capeadvisors.com/projects/greenwich-west
https://rosehill.nyc/
https://www.thirtyparkplace.com/

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#975 Post by Patrick_27 » Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:26 pm

rev wrote:
Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:53 am
Everything around parliament except government house and the train station building is out of place compared.
Is someone going to seriously say the Intercontinental fits in?
Or the new casino extension?
Or the festival theater?
Oe the crap across the road?
How about the riverside centre?

The out of place argument bolted a long long time ago.
So yeah, let's just make it worse because why not?

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