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South Australia isn't really in decline these days. The economy is fairly stagnant, but only when you compare it to other Australian states which have been performing well above the average for developed countries.

The Liberals are furthering that stagnation however, by their complete lack of action on almost every front. The Liberals were elected, without any plan, because after 16 years of Labor, people simply felt like a change. As a result, they were elected despite lacking studied, costed plans for anything. This is reflected in the litany of fruitless thought bubbles which the Liberals have been producing ever since the election. Just in terms of infrastructure, the liberals have talked about and then scrapped the tram right-turn and "GlobeLink". They have taken little real action to progress the next stages of major projects like the North-South Corridor and rail electrification, and their promised rail tunnel and review of public transport options are nowhere to be seen. And of course, just to be productive, they have scrapped a whole host of useful projects started by Labor, most notably the tram expansion, rail extensions, and expansions of the cycle network. They don't even seem open to considering logically important issues like the the question of a link between the NS Corridor and SE Freeway. All of this means that ever since the Liberals got into power, South Australia has gone nowhere. Meanwhile the other states race further ahead.

Under Labor things were actually getting done. South Australia was moving ahead.
I voted Liberal, but I have to agree with you on those infrastructure points.
Do the Port Wakefield Interchange and duplicating the Joy Baluch Bridge count as extensions of the North South Corridor? They are infrastructure builds that appear to be going ahead that weren't in Labor's plans.

Whether Liberal reviews of the North-South Motorway have been innovative or time-wasting will depend on the outcome of the review. If it determines that the best solution is short tunnels under Henley Beach Road and Sir Donald Bradman Drive, plus an elevated road south of Anzac Highway, then it has been a waste of two years. If it recommends deep bored tunnels then after a few years we might be thinking how great it was that Liberal re-thought the plan instead of just following Labor's lead. Either way, the finished product will be better than what we have now, and there will be pain for some people until it is complete. I think the Labor solution might be best, but Liberal is now painted into a corner where drilled tunnels demonstrate that the review was worthwhile.
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The bridge in Port Augusta, Gawler Line Electrification Stage 2 to Gawler and Regency to Pym were all funded in Labor's last budget for 2017/18.
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Completely agree with the sentiments on this forum. This proposal is bat shit crazy - there is no way it can stack up economically, are sporting complexes and roads all this government cares about? Especially after scrapping a relatively modest rail extension to Port Adelaide (which would aid gentrification of the area).
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Small anecdote, my son is getting to the age where he's interested in going to see a few sports games, A-League included. Hindmarsh is walking distance away so thought, sure, I'll find a game that we can go see. Except, every single home game this season is a night game. Not one game played on a weekend afternoon. So we're not going. If they want to grow attendances, maybe they should work on scheduling first before building a new stadium.
I think you're the only person advocating for more afternoon A-League games. Most matches are played in the evening as it's a summer season, and people actually want more night games to avoid matches being played in the summer heat.

Also, even with a 7:00pm kickoff, games finish at around 8:45-9:00pm anyway.
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:40 pm
It's a pity we're debating the need of yet another sport stadium without considering how our state's arts infrastructure is being left behind. In addition to the Adelaide Symphony Orchestra, the State Theatre Company is now saying that the Festival Centre is no longer fit for purpose. As Sydney Opera House embarks on a $150 million reno and other states invest in buildings and events, Adelaide risks leaving its once leading-edge arts reputation as another footnote of past, better days.
Well the Libs have lumped the Arts as part of the transport department
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Do we know what Labours position is on a new city stadium/arena? I know the election is 2 years away but have we any thoughts on what Labours position/policies will be ie will they try to re-introduce all or most things that the Libs scrapped of theirs?
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Liberal just make this stuff up trying to get re-elected then they spend money on a study and then say it’s not worth the money and end up doing nothing. Tram right turn is one of many. They are holding this state back.

Listen to what you are saying. Labor are the ones who approved and built no right turn.Has nothing to do with Liberal
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RiseHigh wrote:
Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:25 pm
Liberal just make this stuff up trying to get re-elected then they spend money on a study and then say it’s not worth the money and end up doing nothing. Tram right turn is one of many. They are holding this state back.

Listen to what you are saying. Labor are the ones who approved and built no right turn.Has nothing to do with Liberal
No but they did promise to build a right hand turn if elected despite Labor already stating why it was a no go
Yes . They do make it up. Then they quoted the same report Labor did to say it couldn't be done
Honesty what the hell are you on about

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Norman wrote:
Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:52 pm
The bridge in Port Augusta, Gawler Line Electrification Stage 2 to Gawler and Regency to Pym were all funded in Labor's last budget for 2017/18.
Are you sure? I can't find anything prior to the May 2018 Federal budget about the bridge in Port Augusta. I concede that Labor had included spending in forward years to the others.
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There is an article about this on AdelaideNow which is paywalled, could someone with access please post.
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Proposed $1.3 billion riverbank complex to host concerts and sports such as soccer, basketball
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... c7ba9c124a

Rival plans for multipurpose, roofed stadiums are vying for State Government backing to house major concerts, soccer, basketball, tennis and other court sports in Adelaide’s Riverbank precinct at a cost of up to $1.3 billion.

The Sunday Mail can reveal a previous plan for a $200 million Memorial Drive upgrade has been expanded under a business case developed for Adelaide Oval’s Stadium Management Authority, to match a separate proposal for the city railyards.

It is understood the tennis centre upgrade plan, which would involve closing War Memorial Drive to through traffic, is being pitched as significantly cheaper than the rival proposal for Adelaide’s railyards, which would cost between $900 million and upwards of $1 billion.

The railyards proposal also involves a multipurpose arena, but south of the River Torrens and west of the Morphett St bridge, with various configurations for concerts, conventions, events, tennis, basketball and soccer – the latter with a retractable grass pitch.

The Sunday Mail has been told this plan includes a major commercial precinct, likely to include a hotel, medical research centres, outlet shops and short-stay accommodation servicing the nearby Royal Adelaide Hospital and SAHMRI.

The plan is backed by the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation (AVMC), which operates the Adelaide Convention Centre, Entertainment Centre and Coopers (Hindmarsh) Stadium. Costs of both proposals would be defrayed by selling off the latter two.

During the week, Premier Steven Marshall put a multipurpose stadium at the heart of the Government’s agenda for the next two years, detailed at State Parliament’s opening in the Governor’s speech, which said: “My Government is actively planning additional major inner-city and sporting entertainment infrastructure.”

Mr Marshall later told The Advertiser “all options” were on the table but soccer was “definitely a priority for us” and the plan was not “particularly limited to one sport”.

A business case for the Memorial Drive redevelopment is being prepared by consultants Mott MacDonald, which provided detailed design and project management throughout the development and construction of the $535 million Adelaide Oval upgrade.

It is understood to involve a substantial overhaul of the $200 million Memorial Drive upgrade plans for a 10,000-seat arena unveiled in 2016, which did not include soccer or concerts. Various configurations are still being examined.

It is pitched as offering the same facilities as the rival plan for a lower cost and does not involve redeveloping the area west of Montefiore Rd, thus encroaching on North Adelaide Golf Club’s southeastern tip.

The Memorial Drive redevelopment is likely to be contingent on scrapping some Ad­elaide City Council leases, in­cluding with the Next Gen gym. Recreation and Sport Minister Corey Wingard would not comment on either proposal but said a State Sport and Recreation Infrastructure Plan detailing required upgrades to sporting facilities would be released within weeks.

“There’s a focus on big stadiums – there always is – but we’ll also be looking at what options there are for middle-tier and grassroots facilities,” he said.

Adelaide Oval management was approached for comment but there was no response. The SMA’s deputy chairman, former premier and state Liberal Party president John Olsen, in 2018 urged consolidation of tennis, soccer, basketball and the Entertainment Centre in the Memorial Drive precinct.

At the time, he said the cost would be reduced by using the Oval’s security, food, beverage, kitchens and other facilities.

Funding details are still being assessed, by consultants Aurecon, for the rival AVMC proposal, revealed by The Advertiser in 2018. AVMC chairman Bill Spurr, a member of Mr Marshall’s six-person Economic Advisory Council, said: “It’s too early at this stage for us to comment.”

An Opposition spokesman said Mr Marshall had provided few details so it was hard to judge the plans.

“There’s no plan, there’s no artist’s impressions, there’s no cost estimate, there’s no site, there’s not even any detail about which sports this venue will host,” he said.

The competing plans

Adelaide Arena

■ City railyards site, south of River Torrens, west of Morphett St bridge

■ Total cost between $900 million and upwards of $1 billion.

■ Roofed, multipurpose arena housing concerts, conventions, events, tennis, basketball, netball and soccer, the latter with a retractable grass pitch.

■ Redevelopment includes commercial precinct, built-over railyards, likely including hotel, medical research, outlet shops, short-stay accommodation servicing nearby hospital and SAHMRI.

■ Cost defrayed by commercial development, plus sale of Entertainment Centre and Coopers (Hindmarsh) Stadium.

■ Business case being developed by Aurecon for Adelaide Venue Management Corporation, which operates Adelaide Convention Centre, Hindmarsh and Entertainment Centre.

■ Funding being assessed – a possible mix of state and federal funds through extension of the $551 million City Deal, plus State Government debt.

Memorial Drive

■ Advanced plans for upgrading precinct to house same functions as railyards proposal, including soccer, concerts, events.

■ Various configurations being examined – soccer might not be in main arena.

■ Expected to involve permanently closing War Memorial Drive to through traffic between King William and Montefiore roads.

■ Business case being developed by Mott MacDonald for Adelaide Oval Stadium Management Authority.

■ Expansion of previous vision for Memorial Drive, unveiled in 2016, which included a $200 million multipurpose stadium catering for tennis, netball, basketball and other sports in a 10,000 seat arena.

■ Expected to be significantly cheaper than railyards option although details not known. Cost reduced by using security, food, beverage, kitchens and other facilities at Adelaide Oval.

■ Likely to be contingent on modifying Adelaide City Council leases, including with Next Gen Memorial Drive gym but does not involve redeveloping area west of Montefiore Rd, encroaching on North Adelaide Golf Club’s southeastern tip.
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Nathan wrote:
Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:24 pm
Proposed $1.3 billion riverbank complex to host concerts and sports such as soccer, basketball
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/sou ... c7ba9c124a

Rival plans for multipurpose, roofed stadiums are vying for State Government backing to house major concerts, soccer, basketball, tennis and other court sports in Adelaide’s Riverbank precinct at a cost of up to $1.3 billion.

The Sunday Mail can reveal a previous plan for a $200 million Memorial Drive upgrade has been expanded under a business case developed for Adelaide Oval’s Stadium Management Authority, to match a separate proposal for the city railyards.

It is understood the tennis centre upgrade plan, which would involve closing War Memorial Drive to through traffic, is being pitched as significantly cheaper than the rival proposal for Adelaide’s railyards, which would cost between $900 million and upwards of $1 billion.

The railyards proposal also involves a multipurpose arena, but south of the River Torrens and west of the Morphett St bridge, with various configurations for concerts, conventions, events, tennis, basketball and soccer – the latter with a retractable grass pitch.

The Sunday Mail has been told this plan includes a major commercial precinct, likely to include a hotel, medical research centres, outlet shops and short-stay accommodation servicing the nearby Royal Adelaide Hospital and SAHMRI.

The plan is backed by the Adelaide Venue Management Corporation (AVMC), which operates the Adelaide Convention Centre, Entertainment Centre and Coopers (Hindmarsh) Stadium. Costs of both proposals would be defrayed by selling off the latter two.

During the week, Premier Steven Marshall put a multipurpose stadium at the heart of the Government’s agenda for the next two years, detailed at State Parliament’s opening in the Governor’s speech, which said: “My Government is actively planning additional major inner-city and sporting entertainment infrastructure.”

Mr Marshall later told The Advertiser “all options” were on the table but soccer was “definitely a priority for us” and the plan was not “particularly limited to one sport”.

A business case for the Memorial Drive redevelopment is being prepared by consultants Mott MacDonald, which provided detailed design and project management throughout the development and construction of the $535 million Adelaide Oval upgrade.

It is understood to involve a substantial overhaul of the $200 million Memorial Drive upgrade plans for a 10,000-seat arena unveiled in 2016, which did not include soccer or concerts. Various configurations are still being examined.

It is pitched as offering the same facilities as the rival plan for a lower cost and does not involve redeveloping the area west of Montefiore Rd, thus encroaching on North Adelaide Golf Club’s southeastern tip.

The Memorial Drive redevelopment is likely to be contingent on scrapping some Ad­elaide City Council leases, in­cluding with the Next Gen gym. Recreation and Sport Minister Corey Wingard would not comment on either proposal but said a State Sport and Recreation Infrastructure Plan detailing required upgrades to sporting facilities would be released within weeks.

“There’s a focus on big stadiums – there always is – but we’ll also be looking at what options there are for middle-tier and grassroots facilities,” he said.

Adelaide Oval management was approached for comment but there was no response. The SMA’s deputy chairman, former premier and state Liberal Party president John Olsen, in 2018 urged consolidation of tennis, soccer, basketball and the Entertainment Centre in the Memorial Drive precinct.

At the time, he said the cost would be reduced by using the Oval’s security, food, beverage, kitchens and other facilities.

Funding details are still being assessed, by consultants Aurecon, for the rival AVMC proposal, revealed by The Advertiser in 2018. AVMC chairman Bill Spurr, a member of Mr Marshall’s six-person Economic Advisory Council, said: “It’s too early at this stage for us to comment.”

An Opposition spokesman said Mr Marshall had provided few details so it was hard to judge the plans.

“There’s no plan, there’s no artist’s impressions, there’s no cost estimate, there’s no site, there’s not even any detail about which sports this venue will host,” he said.

The competing plans

Adelaide Arena

■ City railyards site, south of River Torrens, west of Morphett St bridge

■ Total cost between $900 million and upwards of $1 billion.

■ Roofed, multipurpose arena housing concerts, conventions, events, tennis, basketball, netball and soccer, the latter with a retractable grass pitch.

■ Redevelopment includes commercial precinct, built-over railyards, likely including hotel, medical research, outlet shops, short-stay accommodation servicing nearby hospital and SAHMRI.

■ Cost defrayed by commercial development, plus sale of Entertainment Centre and Coopers (Hindmarsh) Stadium.

■ Business case being developed by Aurecon for Adelaide Venue Management Corporation, which operates Adelaide Convention Centre, Hindmarsh and Entertainment Centre.

■ Funding being assessed – a possible mix of state and federal funds through extension of the $551 million City Deal, plus State Government debt.

Memorial Drive

■ Advanced plans for upgrading precinct to house same functions as railyards proposal, including soccer, concerts, events.

■ Various configurations being examined – soccer might not be in main arena.

■ Expected to involve permanently closing War Memorial Drive to through traffic between King William and Montefiore roads.

■ Business case being developed by Mott MacDonald for Adelaide Oval Stadium Management Authority.

■ Expansion of previous vision for Memorial Drive, unveiled in 2016, which included a $200 million multipurpose stadium catering for tennis, netball, basketball and other sports in a 10,000 seat arena.

■ Expected to be significantly cheaper than railyards option although details not known. Cost reduced by using security, food, beverage, kitchens and other facilities at Adelaide Oval.

■ Likely to be contingent on modifying Adelaide City Council leases, including with Next Gen Memorial Drive gym but does not involve redeveloping area west of Montefiore Rd, encroaching on North Adelaide Golf Club’s southeastern tip.
I'm sided with AOM's Memorial Drive plan. I don't see much logic AVM's plan: for starters, a $1b price tag is ridiculous, and I still fail to see how having soccer, tennis, basketball, netball and concerts in one venue can actually work. Speaking as someone who has worked in live entertainment industry in Melbourne, interstate arenas have proven that you can generally manage having basketball, tennis, netball and concerts in one venue, but throw to soccer into that mix, that's when it will become nightmare-ish. I also fail to see how you can guarantee the quality of grass for a soccer pitch at such a venue? The quality of a pitch is vital for soccer and whether this plan involves covering the grass when the venue is being used for other events or sporting codes, or taking the pitch out and storing it elsewhere, there's no guarantee that it will be of the highest standard in any short time frame that it might be required. ONE final point, seeing as A-League is played over the summer, expect clashes with the Adelaide International.

I would rather see upwards of $500m go towards a new arena, and a further $100-200m go towards a major upgrade of Hindmarsh (new stands etc). OR if the government are serious about splashing out $$$, $500m for an arena, $500m for a stadium on the Entertainment Centre site. I know it was built 10 years ago, but AAMI Park in Melbourne only set the Victorian government back $270m, adjust inflation and such, for $500m a new stadium might be doable.
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We ought to be against the SMA plan out of principle, because those greedy bastards already have enough of a stranglehold without handing them all the other sports as well.

On top of that, none of the idiots in charge seem to have grasped that just because they're all played on rectangles, doesn't mean they can all occupy the same stadium - a soccer/rugby stadium hosting tennis, basketball, et al is as nonsensical as the basketball game held in the middle of Marvel Stadium. Sticking the Soccer/Rugby stadium over the rail yards leaves Tennis SA free to build their real tennis stadium once we get an actual state government in charge again, and just works better in terms of continuing the activation of the riverbank precinct outside the convention centre.
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Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:09 pm
I would rather see upwards of $500m go towards a new arena, and a further $100-200m go towards a major upgrade of Hindmarsh (new stands etc). OR if the government are serious about splashing out $$$, $500m for an arena, $500m for a stadium on the Entertainment Centre site. I know it was built 10 years ago, but AAMI Park in Melbourne only set the Victorian government back $270m, adjust inflation and such, for $500m a new stadium might be doable.
Hindmarsh can't be upgraded, it's nothing but good money after bad trying to do anything further there, especially since the heritage listed church to the south blocks any and all attempts to move the entire place south to escape the constrictions of Manton and Holden streets
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My first post on this subject.

Firstly, whomever gets the go ahead on this project or projects should not mix court sports and field sports in the same venue. Events and conventions are also another kettle of fish and should be separate. Secondly, as NTRabbit said, SMA hands off! Thirdly, Hindmarsh (Coopers) Stadium cannot be expanded to satisfy FIFA. It's a no-goer and should not be mentioned any further.

Tennis needs Memorial Drive to be redeveloped, whether using the current roof with a sunken court and enclosed wrap-around seating or building a new arena in situ from scratch. This arena will double up for other court sports (basketball, volleyball, netball etc.) when required.

The Entertainment Centre although isolated from the Riverbank/AO precinct is still a good venue for concerts, events on ice and indoor motorsports. This venue will continue to be used only if money is a concern. Otherwise it could be built over the railyards in a different specification, but not to include field sports.

Soccer and rugby (league and union) need a separate venue, perhaps at the Police Barracks, at the University Oval (east of AO) or at the present netball stadium. A rectangular stadium cannot be built west of Adelaide Oval. No room. Besides practice courts and nets are required for tennis and cricket. Also a practice oval for cricket and football (AFL). Over the railyards with a drop-in pitch as already mentioned by Patrick_27 is a NO-NO. No negotiating on this! Also the stadium contrary to some needs to be at least a 45,000 seater and fully undercover. No wet seats in the rain! Why such a larger stadium when we only get a max of 15,000 at Hindmarsh? Because if we want to stage one-off matches or tournaments, whether soccer or rugby, we need the best quality stadium we can get.

Lastly if these projects go ahead the Government needs to be serious about public transport. Arenas/stadiums and public transport need to go hand in hand. I won't go into detail here but will post something in the Infrastructure/Transport Development or Visions & Suggestions topic.

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^^^ Pretty much my thoughts as well.

Forget Hindmarsh, doing it up will only ever amount to a bandaid job at best.
Entertainment Centre, just leave it alone. If it can survive, it's a private business after all, good, if not, they market will sort it out.
Titatnium Arena, again, privately owned. If they can turn it into something that spins money for them, good, if not, market sorts it out. Sold for housing? Who cares, that's their problem, neither this or the Ent. Centre are the tax payers problem.

Over the rail yards? Yeh nah. We can do better. BTW, AVM, Adelaide Venue Management, are the same people who run the Entertainment Centre and manage Coopers Stadium.
Tell them to take a hike.

The only reason, IMHO, why anyone has suggested that a rectangular stadium be built on the War Memorial/Montefiore corner of the golf course, is to try and avoid the whinging from the parklands nutters.

The best out come is this;

Redevelop Memorial Drive. Whether it's the design for the roofed arena or something else. This one will happen.

A rectangular stadium on Park 12/Uni. Oval, east of AO. This is part of my pipe dream lol.

Bring the tram further up King William and have a stop just after the underground car park entry/exit for AO.
And how about a tram that runs Morphett street, through Light Square (it's a shithole anyway, this would improve it), and then turns left onto Grote St and connects to the existing tram line in Victoria Square. Grote street is desolate anyway down the centre. Could be the start of city loop, the start of the tram run to the airport...
Could even run a tram up Sir Edwin Smith drive past the new rectangular stadium, have a stop there for it therefore giving an extra tram stop for footy/soccer/concerts, and continue it up through Melbourne Street which would help eateries and what not there.

They really should look at this as an opportunity to do a lot more then just build two new stadiums/arenas.
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