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#631 Post by how good is he » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:23 pm

Ok it’s great to see constructive criticism/examples!
However can I remind you that both this time and last time (Urban Construct days) this site/s were put out to International Tender. Don’t you think if the Govt had a developer willing and capable to do a project like you mention (Canary Wharf or whatever) it wouldn’t have chosen them?
What do you suggest the Govt of the day does if it doesn’t have ANY other capable developers willing to invest or do similar developments like you suggest in Pt Adelaide?
What if what is chosen is the best of the proposals put forward? What then? What if after dividing the project into multiple smaller sites to maximise competition this is the best outcome from those who tendered?
Unless you are suggesting Govt risk taxpayers $$$ (hundreds of millions/billions) playing property developer, what else choice did they realistically have?
This is especially after it lay dormant for years and people demanding progress NOW.

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#632 Post by Nathan » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:58 pm

They could have gone the Bowden route - Renewal SA controlling the masterplan with detailed guidelines, then manage the selling off of individual lots to different developers. Possible to have done a combination too, Bowden route for a designated core area and hand off larger sections for lower density development on the fringes.

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#633 Post by how good is he » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:12 am

Essentially they did do this and their master plan was separated into different precincts and developers could tender anything they wanted based on the individual precincts (tourism, resi. etc). However let’s be honest, Bowden is mainly residential land with developers pitching apartment building after apartment building anyway. No different to all the other development be it Glenside, West (Lakes), St Clair etc throughout SA/Australia. My point is it ain’t just Pt Adelaide..

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#634 Post by Nathan » Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:53 am

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Essentially they did do this and their master plan was separated into different precincts and developers could tender anything they wanted based on the individual precincts (tourism, resi. etc). However let’s be honest, Bowden is mainly residential land with developers pitching apartment building after apartment building anyway. No different to all the other development be it Glenside, West (Lakes), St Clair etc throughout SA/Australia. My point is it ain’t just Pt Adelaide..
The developers in Bowden pitch apartment building after apartment building, because that's what has been prescribed for those lots. You'll start to see more mix-use (retail and commercial) soon. The difference with Bowden is that individual lots are tendered for, rather than larger areas.

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#635 Post by how good is he » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:38 am

Yes it may be smaller lots but the end result is no different be it residential, retail, commercial.. My response to Rev’s point is that there is nothing particularly ground-breaking (not just in Pt Adelaide or Bowden) but any new re-development in SA or even maybe Australia...

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#636 Post by Nathan » Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:52 am

The result is definitely different. The Bowden model avoids homogeneity by having different developers, architects, builders etc. Each building is unique, and thus each have different selling points to go to market with. It also means if you're in the market for an apartment, and building A doesn't quite suit your needs then maybe building B or C does - there are options.

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#637 Post by [Shuz] » Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:05 pm

I think the Bowden model is has produced the best urban renewal / development outcome seen in Adelaide. Far better than having just one developer produce a master plan for a chunk of land and put up the same copy-paste crap a thousand times over throughout.
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#638 Post by I Follow PAFC » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:10 pm

Cruickshank’s Corner to become new fishing, retail and tourism precinct.
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#639 Post by Nathan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:50 pm

Went to the Port Admiral today for Christmas lunch. A+. Good crowd around that area to, so there's obviously latent potential.

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#640 Post by rogue » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:59 pm

Public servants protest plan to move them to new office block in Port Adelaide

Daniel Wills, The Advertiser

PUBLIC servants are demanding they be allowed to telecommute, change jobs or have colleagues take their place in a bid to avoid being sent to a new office block in Port Adelaide. The State Government is nearing completion on a $40 million new building at the Port but is confronting a backlash as a large number of the 500 workers meant to staff it say they don’t want to go.

The building is a key plank in plans for a post-Holden revitalisation of the northern suburbs.

Public Service Association secretary Nev Kitchin said about half of the Renewal SA and Shared Services department workers meant to make a 15km move out of the CBD had strong objections, including “aesthetic” concerns about the industrial area, and many would quit.

Mr Kitchin said the strongest objections were over increased travel time and disruptions to the work-life balance of workers who based their routines around working in the city.

He said it was expected some would be given a reprieve, but a significant number would by forced to move in the middle of next year and then make plans to quit and leave the Port.

“Travel times is the biggest concern that people have, and that affects work-life balance,” Mr Kitchin said.

“We met with a member recently who would have to travel two hours one way.

“Some people would be concerned about the aesthetics of working in Port Adelaide.

“But we do hope those amenities will grow with a larger number of workers down there.

“About half of the staff who are affected by the move have concerns.

“There will be a core of ­people who will be unhappy with the move, and it will never suit them, and they on that basis will apply for other government and private sector ­positions.”

A Government spokeswoman said having more ­people living, working, investing and spending time in the Port was critical to its revival and consultation with affected staff was ongoing.

“Relocating hundreds of public servants to Port Adelaide will bring new economic activity to the Port, delivering a much-needed boost for local businesses,” the spokeswoman said.

“While some staff will need to travel further as a result of the relocation, many employees living in the western suburbs and around the Le Fevre Peninsula will benefit from the move.

“Staff who may be concerned about moving to Port Adelaide should know we will work in partnership with them to ensure the smoothest transition possible.”

The Government is also spending $16.4 million on a train for a new spur line to a revived train station in the heart of Port Adelaide, which is expected to be completed in 2019.

A union survey of staff affected by the Port move led to suggestions for better public transport to help them get to work, using computers to remotely patch into meetings held by colleagues in Port Adelaide, better parking and switching jobs with other workers.

Port Adelaide Enfield Mayor Gary Johanson said the dockside would be much more popular had a planned tram been delivered, but it was quickly emerging as a “booming area”.

“It is a change of culture for them (city public servants) to come down the Port, but we welcome whatever group eventually does,” he said.

“I can see they would have a general concern, and it is valid if they’ve been employed to work somewhere and then told to move.”

Mr Johanson said old snobbery about Port Adelaide may be a problem, but “any person who has been watching trends can see excitement building around boutique breweries and arts”.

“Here’s an area on the cusp of greatness,” he said. “We need people to experience this passion.”

Public sector opposition famous­ly helped scuttle former premier Don Dunstan’s satellite city plans at Monarto, which in the 1970s was to become a new hub with government offices.

Mr Kitchin said he hoped the Government would work with the union to help workers avoid the move if they had ­exceptional financial and ­personal circumstances that created hardship.

He said one worker had already decided to go part time to avoid commuting five days a week.

Plans to upgrade the building were included in the Government’s 2015 “Look North” blueprint, which aims to help create jobs after the end of car manufacturing.
Talk about the age of entitlement. These workers should be thankful that they have a job at all.

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Re: Port Adelaide | Developments & News

#641 Post by SBD » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:56 pm

1) I don't understand " The building is a key plank in plans for a post-Holden revitalisation of the northern suburbs" and " Plans to upgrade the building were included in the Government’s 2015 “Look North” blueprint, which aims to help create jobs after the end of car manufacturing." - partly because Port Adelaide is not usually a "northern suburb", and partly because "creating" jobs then relocating existing staff into them has no effect on any unemployed ex-Holden or support industry workers.
2) Google maps says the bus from Adelaide to Port Adelaide is 34 minutes, so the referenced "member ...who would have to travel two hours one way" must be travelling at least 85 minutes one way now, and would be adding at most a third to their travel time, which is a smaller proportional change than for any who have deliberately chosen to live within a walk or short bike ride from their current office.
3) I would be surprised if there are not significant "consultation" clauses in the state public servant enterprise agreements, and there could well be normal administrative actions to help southeastern-based staff to swap with northwestern-based ones when an office is being moved that far.
This seems like an effort to build a story for a slow news day between Christmas and New Year when not much else is happening.

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#642 Post by how good is he » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:30 am

They should advertise the jobs of those that don’t want to work there and see the applicants they get. Admittedly not all may be as qualified but who knows, they may get applicants from other govt depts (esp. if they live around Pt Adelaide/want to work locally). They may even be over qualified. Worth a try...

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#643 Post by Eurostar » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:04 pm

rogue wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:59 pm
Public servants protest plan to move them to new office block in Port Adelaide

Daniel Wills, The Advertiser

PUBLIC servants are demanding they be allowed to telecommute, change jobs or have colleagues take their place in a bid to avoid being sent to a new office block in Port Adelaide. The State Government is nearing completion on a $40 million new building at the Port but is confronting a backlash as a large number of the 500 workers meant to staff it say they don’t want to go.

The building is a key plank in plans for a post-Holden revitalisation of the northern suburbs.

Public Service Association secretary Nev Kitchin said about half of the Renewal SA and Shared Services department workers meant to make a 15km move out of the CBD had strong objections, including “aesthetic” concerns about the industrial area, and many would quit.

Mr Kitchin said the strongest objections were over increased travel time and disruptions to the work-life balance of workers who based their routines around working in the city.

He said it was expected some would be given a reprieve, but a significant number would by forced to move in the middle of next year and then make plans to quit and leave the Port.

“Travel times is the biggest concern that people have, and that affects work-life balance,” Mr Kitchin said.

“We met with a member recently who would have to travel two hours one way.

“Some people would be concerned about the aesthetics of working in Port Adelaide.

“But we do hope those amenities will grow with a larger number of workers down there.

“About half of the staff who are affected by the move have concerns.

“There will be a core of ­people who will be unhappy with the move, and it will never suit them, and they on that basis will apply for other government and private sector ­positions.”

A Government spokeswoman said having more ­people living, working, investing and spending time in the Port was critical to its revival and consultation with affected staff was ongoing.

“Relocating hundreds of public servants to Port Adelaide will bring new economic activity to the Port, delivering a much-needed boost for local businesses,” the spokeswoman said.

“While some staff will need to travel further as a result of the relocation, many employees living in the western suburbs and around the Le Fevre Peninsula will benefit from the move.

“Staff who may be concerned about moving to Port Adelaide should know we will work in partnership with them to ensure the smoothest transition possible.”

The Government is also spending $16.4 million on a train for a new spur line to a revived train station in the heart of Port Adelaide, which is expected to be completed in 2019.

A union survey of staff affected by the Port move led to suggestions for better public transport to help them get to work, using computers to remotely patch into meetings held by colleagues in Port Adelaide, better parking and switching jobs with other workers.

Port Adelaide Enfield Mayor Gary Johanson said the dockside would be much more popular had a planned tram been delivered, but it was quickly emerging as a “booming area”.

“It is a change of culture for them (city public servants) to come down the Port, but we welcome whatever group eventually does,” he said.

“I can see they would have a general concern, and it is valid if they’ve been employed to work somewhere and then told to move.”

Mr Johanson said old snobbery about Port Adelaide may be a problem, but “any person who has been watching trends can see excitement building around boutique breweries and arts”.

“Here’s an area on the cusp of greatness,” he said. “We need people to experience this passion.”

Public sector opposition famous­ly helped scuttle former premier Don Dunstan’s satellite city plans at Monarto, which in the 1970s was to become a new hub with government offices.

Mr Kitchin said he hoped the Government would work with the union to help workers avoid the move if they had ­exceptional financial and ­personal circumstances that created hardship.

He said one worker had already decided to go part time to avoid commuting five days a week.

Plans to upgrade the building were included in the Government’s 2015 “Look North” blueprint, which aims to help create jobs after the end of car manufacturing.
Talk about the age of entitlement. These workers should be thankful that they have a job at all.
Hear hear. There are many unemployed people that will be happy to do their jobs.

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#644 Post by Kasey771 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:10 pm

how good is he wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:30 am
They should advertise the jobs of those that don’t want to work there and see the applicants they get. Admittedly not all may be as qualified but who knows, they may get applicants from other govt depts (esp. if they live around Pt Adelaide/want to work locally). They may even be over qualified. Worth a try...
:applause: :applause: Sounds like a bunch of entitled,pampered civil 'servants' who need a dose of reality stat. I'll bet there are thousands of people that'd be more than happy to commute 1-2 hours a day for a PS job. Lets advertise the jobs of those who don't want to work in PA in the Advertiser and see how many thousands of applicants we get.
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#645 Post by Kasey771 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:50 pm

rogue wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:59 pm
Public servants protest plan to move them to new office block in Port Adelaide

Daniel Wills, The Advertiser

PUBLIC servants are demanding they be allowed to telecommute, change jobs or have colleagues take their place in a bid to avoid being sent to a new office block in Port Adelaide. The State Government is nearing completion on a $40 million new building at the Port but is confronting a backlash as a large number of the 500 workers meant to staff it say they don’t want to go.

The building is a key plank in plans for a post-Holden revitalisation of the northern suburbs.

Public Service Association secretary Nev Kitchin said about half of the Renewal SA and Shared Services department workers meant to make a 15km move out of the CBD had strong objections, including “aesthetic” concerns about the industrial area, and many would quit.

Mr Kitchin said the strongest objections were over increased travel time and disruptions to the work-life balance of workers who based their routines around working in the city.

He said it was expected some would be given a reprieve, but a significant number would by forced to move in the middle of next year and then make plans to quit and leave the Port.

“Travel times is the biggest concern that people have, and that affects work-life balance,” Mr Kitchin said.

“We met with a member recently who would have to travel two hours one way.

“Some people would be concerned about the aesthetics of working in Port Adelaide.

“But we do hope those amenities will grow with a larger number of workers down there.

“About half of the staff who are affected by the move have concerns.

“There will be a core of ­people who will be unhappy with the move, and it will never suit them, and they on that basis will apply for other government and private sector ­positions.”

A Government spokeswoman said having more ­people living, working, investing and spending time in the Port was critical to its revival and consultation with affected staff was ongoing.

“Relocating hundreds of public servants to Port Adelaide will bring new economic activity to the Port, delivering a much-needed boost for local businesses,” the spokeswoman said.

“While some staff will need to travel further as a result of the relocation, many employees living in the western suburbs and around the Le Fevre Peninsula will benefit from the move.

“Staff who may be concerned about moving to Port Adelaide should know we will work in partnership with them to ensure the smoothest transition possible.”

The Government is also spending $16.4 million on a train for a new spur line to a revived train station in the heart of Port Adelaide, which is expected to be completed in 2019.

A union survey of staff affected by the Port move led to suggestions for better public transport to help them get to work, using computers to remotely patch into meetings held by colleagues in Port Adelaide, better parking and switching jobs with other workers.

Port Adelaide Enfield Mayor Gary Johanson said the dockside would be much more popular had a planned tram been delivered, but it was quickly emerging as a “booming area”.

“It is a change of culture for them (city public servants) to come down the Port, but we welcome whatever group eventually does,” he said.

“I can see they would have a general concern, and it is valid if they’ve been employed to work somewhere and then told to move.”

Mr Johanson said old snobbery about Port Adelaide may be a problem, but “any person who has been watching trends can see excitement building around boutique breweries and arts”.

“Here’s an area on the cusp of greatness,” he said. “We need people to experience this passion.”

Public sector opposition famous­ly helped scuttle former premier Don Dunstan’s satellite city plans at Monarto, which in the 1970s was to become a new hub with government offices.

Mr Kitchin said he hoped the Government would work with the union to help workers avoid the move if they had ­exceptional financial and ­personal circumstances that created hardship.

He said one worker had already decided to go part time to avoid commuting five days a week.

Plans to upgrade the building were included in the Government’s 2015 “Look North” blueprint, which aims to help create jobs after the end of car manufacturing.
Talk about the age of entitlement. These workers should be thankful that they have a job at all.
:applause: keeping your job is the new payrise!
Big infrastructure investments are usually under-valued and & over-criticized while in the planning stage. It's much easier to envision the here and now costs and inconveniences, and far more difficult to imagine fully the eventual benefits.

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