[U/C] Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

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[U/C] Re: Festival Plaza Redevelopment | $800 million

#721 Post by Patrick_27 » Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:17 pm

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To park land or to not park land is the question.

Many seem to think we should just view it as vacant land to be used for whatever. 180 years of blocking generic commericial use all so the generation in 2018 has spare vacant CBD land to put generic business on.

The 2018 guys must feel so entitled that they were the chosen ones the land was reserved all this time for. So many generations through sickness, depressions and recessions just waiting for you to come along and have a free kick during good times.

Seems like such a stupid waste of 180 years of effort til now to just say it was all for nothing.
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The parklands can be utilized better as parklands, but just because they're not, right now, does not mean they should be given over to non-park for-profit development that will not be open to the public.
Thirded. I think proposals like the Victoria Park racecourse grandstand had some merit because it would have given solidity to our street circuit but also would have seen the retention of the SA Jockey Club at Victoria Park with a downsized but fully functional racecourse. In turn that would have perhaps allowed for the Adelaide Cup to be held in the CBD, and the regular Friday racing would have still been a thing. These kinds of things keep large pockets of space open and active for the public and allow for the nearby businesses to benefit. Similarly with the recent move from SACA to upgrade or relocate to the Western Parklands, and even the Adelaide Oval upgrade. There are so many ways to improve and activate the parklands and not commit to long-term leases with the corporate sector which is basically the same as selling the land.

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#722 Post by CDJ » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:56 pm

Retention piling for Festival basement commenced today as planned.
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#723 Post by Mpol03 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:07 pm

CDJ wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:56 pm
Retention piling for Festival basement commenced today as planned.
Excuse my stupidity but this is piling for the tower?

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#724 Post by Pikey » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:13 pm

CDJ wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:56 pm
Retention piling for Festival basement commenced today as planned.
Hi CDJ, I've been told that this development will feature multiple tower cranes, is this still the case or will their revert to crawlers?

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#725 Post by CDJ » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:13 pm

Mpol03 wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:07 pm
CDJ wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:56 pm
Retention piling for Festival basement commenced today as planned.
Excuse my stupidity but this is piling for the tower?
It's the piling which will form the retaining wall for the new basement under the tower. There is a huge 5-level carpark to be constructed first before the tower will move up above plaza level.

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#726 Post by CDJ » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:21 pm

Pikey wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:13 pm
CDJ wrote:
Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:56 pm
Retention piling for Festival basement commenced today as planned.
Hi CDJ, I've been told that this development will feature multiple tower cranes, is this still the case or will their revert to crawlers?

Cheers!
Definitely 1-2 tower cranes for Festival Tower. Possibly an extra tower crane for the carpark slabs and columns.

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#727 Post by timtam20292 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:35 pm

Getting on with the job! Very nice to see.

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#728 Post by I Follow PAFC » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:10 pm

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RIVERBANK A $30m contract has been awarded to prepare a 1600-space, five-level underground carpark for the Festival plaza upgrade, as the key Riverbank project continues to gather pace — and gets a new name.

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#729 Post by timtam20292 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:17 pm

Got in via their facebook post.
Adelaide’s Festival Square carpark project zooms ahead as $30m contract awarded to Delta Group

One of the largest earthworks contracts in South Australia’s construction history has been awarded as a key Riverbank project continues to gather pace.

Walker Corporation has handed a $30 million contract to national civil contractor Delta Group for its $500 million development at Festival plaza, which will deliver arts upgrades, a new carpark and office tower as part of the project now known as Festival Square.

A new 1600-space, five-level underground carpark will be the focus of the contract — which has resulted in Delta opening an office and yard in Adelaide off the back of being awarded it.

As part of the contract, Delta will move an estimated 130,000m3 of material from the site in a 14-month program, drilling 15m into the ground.


An artist’s impressions of the Walk of Fame part of the Festival Square upgrade. Picture: Supplied
Walker Corporation South Australia Senior Development Manager Ben Moore said this would get the site ready for the construction of the carpark this year.

“We only started work in May of last year when we were formally provided access to the site, so it’s been a very busy work schedule since then,” he said.

“The demolition and excavation process is literally huge, it’s creating an enormous space that is starting to give a sense of the scale of the development.

“In some ways, it’s a pity that the hoardings prevent people from seeing what’s happening. I think they’d be quite impressed.”

The development will create 10,000m2 of public space modelled on international city squares such as Plaça Catalunya in Barcelona and Leicester Square in London.

It also includes a 23-storey office tower between the Casino and Parliament House, providing 40,000m2 of premium office space, and a large-scale retail and commercial precinct featuring cafes, restaurants and retail outlets.

Mr Moore said the development was the missing piece of the puzzle that will make the Riverbank “a true destination for locals and tourists alike”.

Also taking place in the precinct is the $330 million expansion by the Adelaide Casino, which includes a 123-room luxury hotel, three bars and three signature restaurants.
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#730 Post by SBD » Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:10 pm

I wonder how deep the water table in the area is, and if it rises when the Torrens floods. What happens if the bottom of the car park is below it?

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#731 Post by rev » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:51 am

SBD wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:10 pm
I wonder how deep the water table in the area is, and if it rises when the Torrens floods. What happens if the bottom of the car park is below it?
What are the chances of a flooding event that will result in several meters (at least) of water levels rising around the torrens for flood waters to actually impact things like the festival center and casino?

The flood would have to be fairly significant for it to even reach as high as King William road let alone make it to the car park location.

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#732 Post by [Shuz] » Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:12 am

The water table would be virtually nonexistent seeing as the Torrens Lake is a man made lake not a natural one. Absolutely zero concern of any flooding events.
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#733 Post by Nort » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:22 am

Yeah, for the Torrens to flood that high would also involve it flooding over the weir, meaning that water level is all the way to the coast. If Adelaide somehow got that flooded then we've lost the entire coastline already. :lol:

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#734 Post by AG » Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:36 am

SBD wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:10 pm
I wonder how deep the water table in the area is, and if it rises when the Torrens floods. What happens if the bottom of the car park is below it?
The site of the car park does rise a fair bit from the river heading up to North Terrace. Generally basements are constructed either with a waterproofing membrane (or waterproofing admixture within the concrete) to the perimeter walls and/or perimeter spoon drains on each level to collect any runoff which does make it into the basement.

I was involved in a job here in Brisbane a couple of years back where a whole city block basement car park 7 levels deep was constructed adjacent to the Brisbane River. For a basement at this scale, water will seep in from the surrounding soil particularly after it rains.

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#735 Post by SBD » Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:02 pm

AG wrote:
Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:36 am
SBD wrote:
Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:10 pm
I wonder how deep the water table in the area is, and if it rises when the Torrens floods. What happens if the bottom of the car park is below it?
The site of the car park does rise a fair bit from the river heading up to North Terrace. Generally basements are constructed either with a waterproofing membrane (or waterproofing admixture within the concrete) to the perimeter walls and/or perimeter spoon drains on each level to collect any runoff which does make it into the basement.

I was involved in a job here in Brisbane a couple of years back where a whole city block basement car park 7 levels deep was constructed adjacent to the Brisbane River. For a basement at this scale, water will seep in from the surrounding soil particularly after it rains.
Thank you for understanding that the question was about ground water not surface water, and giving a helpful reply. I have no idea of the hydrology of the Adelaide Plains, so had no idea if it could be an issue.

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