[CAN] Hove Level Crossing Removal | $171m

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[CAN] Re: Hove Level Crossing Removal | $171m

#166 Post by ginzahikari » Tue Jul 20, 2021 6:33 pm

Bob wrote:
Tue Jul 20, 2021 9:59 am
The IA link with the initiatives details including a map for level crossing removal/altering to reduce congestion

https://www.infrastructureaustralia.gov ... and-safety
Looking at the map these level crossings appear to be:

Seaford Line
East Ave, Clarence Park
South Rd, Black Forest
De Laine Ave / Angas Ave, Edwardstown
Raglan Ave, Edwardstown
Dunorlan Rd, Edwardstown
Brighton Rd, Hove
Jetty Rd, Brighton

Flinders Line
Daws Rd, Mitchell Park

Gawler Line
Torrens Rd, Ovingham
Pym St, Dudley Park
Cormack Rd, Wingfield
Kings Rd, Parafield
Park Tce, Salisbury
Commercial Rd, Salisbury North
Womma Rd, Davoren Park
Curtis Rd, Smithfield

Outer Harbor Line
David Tce, Kilkenny
Woodville Rd, Woodville
Cheltenham Pde, St Clair
Semaphore Rd, Exeter
Strathfield Tce, Largs North

Grange Line
Tapleys Hill Rd, Seaton
Frederick Rd, Seaton

Belair Line
Leader St, Goodwood
Cross Rd, Unley Park
Main Rd, Blackwood
Main Rd, Glenalta

Glenelg Tram
Goodwood Rd, Goodwood
Marion Rd, Plympton
Cross Rd, Plympton
Morphett Rd, Morphettville

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#167 Post by ChillyPhilly » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:40 am

Park Terrace could be put into a box culvert under the line. Failing that, Skyrail could work: begin around Parafield Gardens station and land north of Commercial Road.

This could eliminate multiple crossings, and reopen or create new community connections, such as opportunity for an interchange at Spains/Frost Road at Chidda.

The rail line does form quite a barrier around the Salisbury areas. The whole Salisbury city centre is a mess that needs a lot of work.

Constructing the rail component of the Northern Connector (stupid that it was put on ice) will make a transformative difference. In addition, this could be further enhanced for metropolitan Adelaide if a freight/passenger rail bypass was built to the north of Adelaide, such as Globelink.

Sadly, we won't see much happen because it's a super safe Labor seat at both levels of government.
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#168 Post by bits » Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:18 am


ChillyPhilly wrote: The whole Salisbury city centre is a mess that needs a lot of work.
I think Salisbury city centre is Adelaide's best pedestrian district. It isn't a good world example, but it is Adelaide's best.

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#169 Post by ChillyPhilly » Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:59 am

bits wrote:
ChillyPhilly wrote: The whole Salisbury city centre is a mess that needs a lot of work.
I think Salisbury city centre is Adelaide's best pedestrian district. It isn't a good world example, but it is Adelaide's best.
John Street is a decent example, but the rest is covered in carparks with limited pedestrian connections.
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#170 Post by Bob » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:03 pm

To be realistic, (rather than practical or logical), I think we all know that the next level crossing project(s) announced before March 2022 will be politically motivated - either in a safe Liberal seat or a marginal seat where this sort of action might tip the extra few hundred votes over needed to secure a Seat for the next term.

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#171 Post by SBD » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:29 pm

Bob wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:03 pm
To be realistic, (rather than practical or logical), I think we all know that the next level crossing project(s) announced before March 2022 will be politically motivated - either in a safe Liberal seat or a marginal seat where this sort of action might tip the extra few hundred votes over needed to secure a Seat for the next term.
Is the only significant crossing in a metropolitan Liberal electorate where the Melbourne line crosses Cross Road, or are there others on the Seaford Line too? Gawler and Outer Harbor lines seem to all be Labor.

Are there any remaining National Highway or major highway level crossings on country lines that are still in use?

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[CAN] Re: Hove Level Crossing Removal | $171m

#172 Post by rhino » Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:32 pm

SBD wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:29 pm
Bob wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:03 pm
To be realistic, (rather than practical or logical), I think we all know that the next level crossing project(s) announced before March 2022 will be politically motivated - either in a safe Liberal seat or a marginal seat where this sort of action might tip the extra few hundred votes over needed to secure a Seat for the next term.
Is the only significant crossing in a metropolitan Liberal electorate where the Melbourne line crosses Cross Road, or are there others on the Seaford Line too? Gawler and Outer Harbor lines seem to all be Labor.

Are there any remaining National Highway or major highway level crossings on country lines that are still in use?
Is Main Road at Belair/Glenata on the list? Or at Blackwood Station?
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#173 Post by Bob » Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:08 am

rhino wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:32 pm
SBD wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:29 pm
Bob wrote:
Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:03 pm
To be realistic, (rather than practical or logical), I think we all know that the next level crossing project(s) announced before March 2022 will be politically motivated - either in a safe Liberal seat or a marginal seat where this sort of action might tip the extra few hundred votes over needed to secure a Seat for the next term.
Is the only significant crossing in a metropolitan Liberal electorate where the Melbourne line crosses Cross Road, or are there others on the Seaford Line too? Gawler and Outer Harbor lines seem to all be Labor.

Are there any remaining National Highway or major highway level crossings on country lines that are still in use?
Is Main Road at Belair/Glenata on the list? Or at Blackwood Station?
Yes they are.

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#174 Post by NTRabbit » Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:00 pm

Is it even plausible for those two level crossings to be deleted by going road over or road under, given the space and terrain? Surely those level crossings will unavoidably remain up until such time as any proposed northern bypass is in operation, and they can stop the passenger line for 12-24 months of works without having to worry about closing or half assing a workaround for the ARTC line as well.

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#175 Post by Spotto » Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:04 am

NTRabbit wrote:
Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:00 pm
Is it even plausible for those two level crossings to be deleted by going road over or road under, given the space and terrain? Surely those level crossings will unavoidably remain up until such time as any proposed northern bypass is in operation, and they can stop the passenger line for 12-24 months of works without having to worry about closing or half assing a workaround for the ARTC line as well.
I can't comment on Glenalta Crossing, but Blackwood Crossing could take advantage of construction methods used for R2P and Ovingham Crossing to raise Main Road over the railway on a pre-fab overpass. The existing terrain makes rail over road the least distruptive, and realistically the only possible option.

The map below is just rough idea. To allow the western section of Main Road to be raised to the correct height while remaining within the existing road corridor, all through traffic could be diverted via Coromandel Parade and Edgecumbe Parade (yellow line) to close that section of Main Road completely, the eastern section could be built on the wedge of land south of Main Road. Local streets can be reconfigured to maintain access to homes and the carparks.

The primary cause for a rail shutdown would be lifting the pre-fab concrete sleepers into place to form the road over Station Road/Murray Street and the railway, which would likely be accomplished within a single weekend.
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#176 Post by Bob » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:45 am

If there was no political motivation involved, the priority of order for crossing alterations/upgrades should be determined by analysing the combination of road traffic volumes and boom gate down time per location. If we were serious about having a bigger impact sooner.

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[CAN] Re: Hove Level Crossing Removal | $171m

#177 Post by SBD » Tue Jul 27, 2021 11:27 pm

Bob wrote:
Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:45 am
If there was no political motivation involved, the priority of order for crossing alterations/upgrades should be determined by analysing the combination of road traffic volumes and boom gate down time per location. If we were serious about having a bigger impact sooner.
Crash history should also be in the weighted calculation.

I think in addition to road traffic volume, it might be useful to also factor in the distance to the next bottleneck. If we spend a certain amount on a new grade separation, it's not worth much if the net travel time does not change because vehicles are all held up at traffic lights a few hundred metres down the road anyway. That might mean the project has to be bigger to include the other intersection, or might just lower the priority of that crossing.

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[CAN] Re: Hove Level Crossing Removal | $171m

#178 Post by Spotto » Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:24 am

While our government drops a project that would've removed a single level crossing and not touched five nearby level crossings, Perth is taking a page out of Melbourne's book and is building skyrails that will knock out six level crossings along a 7 km corridor in one project (three existing road overpasses are also present on the corridor). The corridor between Hove and Maitland Terrace is around half the length of the corridor in Perth, yet both would remove the same number of level crossings.

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